Thursday, October 02, 2008

Vice Presidential Debates

Well, what did you think? To be honest, I thought they both did a good job.

9 comments:

Sweet T said...

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Anonymous said...

I did not think they both did a good job.

It hardly seemed like a debate. Palin kept not answering the questions. Biden answered the questions. At some point even the moderator was like Biden you can either answer the question or whatever subject Palin had decided to talk about instead. Biden answered both.

I just felt like Palin had memorized answers to some questions and tried to not answer any question that didn't fall into what she had memorized. Maybe a good way to avoid making mistakes but I didn't feel like she really knew what she was talking about.

She seemed to say that she had taken on big oil and that John McCain is a maverick. I don't have negative things to say about Palin I just think she is not ready and I mean not even close.

Carrie said...

She has about as much experience as Obama. And last time I checked she was going for vice, not the capital P.
~Always~

thea said...

thus far I've not see Palin step up to the plate and actually say what was on her mind and not rehursed lines. Is she a vp canidate, or a McCain puppet? I'm not decided on who I'm voting for, but she doesn't impress me.

paul said...

Cabbie. The danger, of course, is that she may be "going for vice" but the V.P. is just "one heartbeat away from the President."

Now, McCain is from from dead, but things do happen. (I read somewhere that according to accuarial tables for life insurance McCain has a 1 in 4 chance of dying in office. Mind you, I heard that... I have not actually checked that reference so it not be true). But that is a concern in a lot of people's minds.

-MIKE- said...

Firstly, let's not pretend that Palin is the first politician to *not* directly answer a question or change the subject in a debate or any other forum.

Secondly, Biden has had 35-ish years as a politician to polish his rhetoric so as to not sound rehearsed. (BTW, I caught him looking at his notes about 10:1 over Palin).

Thirdly, the experience argument doesn't hold water. It's an accepted supposition that Governors have far more executive experience than Senators. And if you're going reject her based on foreign policy experience, then you would have to have disqualified Bill Clinton in 1992 and Ronald Reagan in 1980, as well.

Besides, what do people think the Presidential Cabinet and advisors are for? I'm not holding Obama's lack of experience against him for that very reason.

Character, integrity, and moral certitude are far more important than just experience.

Anonymous said...

I never said a word about her experience. I am not even trying to make an experience argument

I was looking for her intelligence, knowledge, foresight and wisdom. I realize that I am not going to find all of these things in a "debate."

Palin did seem moderately intelligent but she seemed to have very little knowledge of issues. I felt the debate highlighted her lack of knowledge and therefore I don't think she is ready.

-MIKE- said...

Carrie, I wasn't trying to pick on you or single you out. Your critique falls into the "experience" category of criticism that is prevalent among her outspoken critics, so I went there.

Even so, I feel most of my post can applied to a "knowledge" argument as well. Every candidate (and every President) has an army of advisors and researchers looking into every issue, every day.

The bottom line when voting, is to not vote out of emotion and feelings. Look at the core beliefs, values and morals of the candidates and vote for who best matches up with you.

Socialism vs. Capitalism
Life vs. Choice
Bigger Government vs. smaller government
More regulations vs. fewer regulations (Not to be confused with oversight-- there is always a need for government oversight, even with fewer regulations.)
National Defense
and on and on and on

John F Kennedy and Ronald Reagan had major victories in the cold war not because of an expanse of knowledge in the subjects or any vast experience in foreign affairs. The each had dozens of experts providing all the facts and strategies one could ever need.

They had victories, because as each sifted through all the advice and strategic recommendations, they made decisions based on their own moral certitude. They each had a line they wouldn't cross, and a line they wouldn't let be crossed.

passporter said...

First Reaction: Wow. She’s decided [wink, wink] that she can FLIRT her way into the White House. That takes some serious ego.

Second Reaction: Well, at least she’s not drooling all over her patent leather pumps. Short of that, there was really nowhere for her to go but up after the Couric interviews. And heaven knows none of us could have stood to watch 45 minutes of that agony. No wonder CBS split the interview up over several days.

Third Reaction: This is a debate??? The McCain campaign successfully smeared Ifill, making her UTTERLY WORTHLESS as a journalist and re-rigged the rules of the debate so that no one could force Palin off of her talking points without looking like a chauvinistic bully or a biased, racist reporter. Thus we got “I may not answer all of the questions the way the moderator wants, but I’m going to talk directly to the American people…” Well, if you fell for that line…. In order for it to be a debate, both people have to actually be answering the SAME QUESTIONS, not offering an uninterrupted infomercial.

Palin’s ignorance seems to know no bounds. All she can do is repeat, over and over and over again, the two-line answers that the McCain people have programmed into her. And this, after 5 weeks of nonstop tutoring by the best minds in the GOP. Two lines. Over and over and over again. (And I continue to find it interesting that given how precious little she knows that she is so confident and relentless in attacking the records of others. Like I said, some serious ego.)

NEVER, EVER in the history of U.S. elections has the press had this kind of non-access to a VP candidate. NEVER. But the reason why is obvious. People on the right keep talking about how “smart” Palin is. Palin is a good memorizer and an excellent flirt. She is not smart. Do not confuse the image that one can project with the actual substance of the other. Anyone who was reasonably intelligent could do a better job of responding to these not-exactly-earth-shattering questions after this kind of help.

It’s one thing to be ignorant. It’s another to walk around flaunting your ignorance like a badge of honor, expecting golden stars and pats on the back at every turn. Palin is an insult to women everywhere.

But Palin is much more important for what she tells us about John McCain’s judgment. It sucks. He had over FIVE MONTHS to choose a capable VP. He had an additional 4-5 days to make a decision when he knew exactly who Obama had chosen. And he gives us this idiot. After meeting her once for about 5 minutes. After not bothering to vet her. Country First, my ass. If this is what he gives us after 5 months of deliberation, what on earth would we get as judges, as ambassadors, as cabinet members when he only has a few days or weeks to make a decision? Good grief. If these two get elected, we’re going to be looking back on the last 8 years as the “good old days.”